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Thu, Apr. 21st, 2005, 08:08 am

This community is rather quiet.

In a private entry on my journal I noted that the Western World seems to be getting a bit more "conservative" in the post 9-11 era. Despite alleged scandal, George Bush was re-elected by a decent margin. Despite cries for a moderate from the Third World, the new Pope is a values conservative from Germany. If the Tories win in the UK, the pattern will be complete.

The more left-leaning pagans on my friends list - which is most of them, it seems -- appear to be writhing in agony or cowering in fear. Can't say this doesn't amuse me on some level. ;-)

In fact, the seething mass of hatred for anything remotely right-of-center or traditional in the wake of Bush & Ratzinger has caused me to leave most pagan forums. I'm convinced now more than ever that most of what we call paganism is nothing but a counter-culture protest against traditional and/or capitalist society.

Since my religion is basically dedicated to cultural traditionalism, I find most pagans to be in a completely different world from me. I feel more comfortable with conservative-leaning agnostics and Christians than I do with most self-described pagans who are on a counter-culture kick.

I'm wondering, do the rest of you ever feel this way?

Thu, Apr. 21st, 2005 05:52 am (UTC)

In a nutshell, yes.

I've noticed the same thing. Of course most of my RL friends actually /are/ conservative agnostics or Christians, with a few notable exceptions. But once upon a time, it was the other way around, and I was much more liberal myself. My family still is, and I still love 'em, I just can't stand talking politics with them!

Yes, there are times when I need to get away from the "Oo, Bush makes me SO ANGRY!" pagans - and that does seem to be most of them. Strangely enough, I even seem to get along better with liberal Christians than I do with liberal pagans - maybe because they usually still have a strong inclination to preserve and respect tradition (something in common). Whereas most of the ultra-liberal pagans I've met are more in the 'do your own thing'/'all paths are equally good' mode, and have no idea where the line is between being tolerant and just letting your brain go plop onto the floor.

Thu, Apr. 21st, 2005 06:21 am (UTC)

Yes, an unqualified yes...

Thu, Apr. 21st, 2005 07:05 am (UTC)

Yes. Absolutely.
I've been sickened by the total lack of respect for tradition expressed by these folks since JPII died.

Its not my faith, but it does stand for tradition, and solid unchanging, non-relative values. And that I think is the key to the hatred.

If nothing else the sheer lack of breeding and politeness they've displayed, and the lack of honour is enough.

Let them squirm.

(I'm in a slash and burn, crucify all who piss me off, at the moment.)

Thu, Apr. 21st, 2005 09:06 am (UTC)

Yes, I feel exactly the same way, like you stole the word right out of my mouth!

Thu, Apr. 21st, 2005 03:33 pm (UTC)


Mon, Mar. 20th, 2006 02:16 am (UTC)

I couldn't agree with you more.

It's good to know I'm far from alone. :-)